Y-DNA for Goyen/Going, Keith and Hollis families

Family lines with matching Y-DNA = Goyen/Going, Keith/Keeth, and Hollis

Y-DNA tests show several matches between the Going, Keith, and Hollis families that lived in the Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina areas from around 1700-1830ish.

Those people listed below are researchers who have submitted a Y-DNA test for themselves (or another male descendant of their line) – and all have matching Y-DNA … Meaning we all descend from a common paternal ancestor.  There are other random surnames that match with 1 or 2 people – but the Going, Hollis and Keith family connections appear to go way back based on the number of people who match, and based on the various lines these researchers descend from.

My research shows a connection to the Keith family through John Going b. abt 1700 who married Mary Keith (daughter of Cornelius Keith b. abt 1680ish and appears to have received his first land grants in Stafford County, Va around 1713-1715).  Obviously my Y-DNA match does not descend from Mary Keith, since Y-DNA only descends from father to son.  What this does show is that there was a family relationship with the Keith family and that the Going and Keith

People who match include the following Y-DNA testers (and their oldest known ancestor with their corresponding surname):

GOING/GOWEN/GOWAN/GOYNE/GOYEN familes:

1) Doug Goyen –  douggoyen@gmail.com)
(Drury Going b. 1749 – 1797 SC).

2) Jerry Lee Goen –  lee_goen@allegiance.tv
(John W. Goen b. 1804 of Hawkins Co, TN, and then Jackson Co, IN)

3) Stephen Goen – stephengoen@hotmail.com
(John W. Goen b. 1804 line).

4) Billy Joe Goin – pat.ann.jones@gmail.com
(Thomas Goin b. 1750-55 Va)

5) Donald Ross Goins – donordee@wavecable.com
no ancestor listed

6) Mike Goynes – melungeon@lenagaylene.com
(Lena Gaylene Olson desceded from James Goyne and Heather O’Brien Goyne – to Wiley Williamson Goynes b. Dec 2, 1799)

7) Linda Ann Goin – lindagoin@gmail.com
(Father Robert Meredith Goin b. June 24, 1930. Lynchburg, Va.
GFather – Thelmor Dewey Goin – b. 1901 – Va
GGFather – Meredith T. Goin – b. 1873 – Va
GGGFather – Doctor M. Goin – b. 1836 – Va
GGGGFather – Jesse Goin b. 1794 – Buckingham Co, Va)

8) Thomas Duane Goins – tommydeegee@comcast.net
(Edmond Goins b. 1799 and d. 1860 in Bradley Co, TN)

9) Andrew Douglass Gowan – agowan@mozart.sc.edu – (William Henry Gowan b. July 10, 1789 – Goochland Co, Va)

10) Gerald Goins – ladyvols1203@gmail.com
(Edward Edmond  Goins 1779-1860. He married Sarah Sally Brewer. Edward and his family eventually moved into Bradley County Tn – John Atkins Goins born 1830 – 1914 – Henry Patterson Goins 1850 – 1917  Bradley County Tn. – Jesse Cemore Goins 1878 – 1954  Bradley County Tn – Hoyt James Goins ( my father) 1931 – 1977)

11) Carroll Heard Goyne, Jr – cgoyne@softdisk.com
(William Goyne b. 1733)

12) Jasper Goin – 46elvira@gmail.com
(Thomas Goin)(Looks to be Thomas Goin b. abt 1755)

13) Joseph Anthony Goins – theimagineer@hotmail.com
(no ancestor listed)

14) Thomas Jay Goins – goins900@aol.com
(Joseph Edward Goins b. 4/17/1895 – Bridgeport, Tx)

15) Eddie Goins distance – eddieg@centurytel.net
(Thomas Goins c. 1729-1797)

16) Ron Lee Goins – eddieg@centurytel.net
(no ancestor listed – but assuming that since same email as above, must be same person – just different relative – cousin or something). (Info on his research: http://lumbeeindiansandgoinsfamily.blogspot.com/2011/09/thomas-going-research-part-i.html ) through Burton Goins (son of Thomas Goins 1729-1797).

17) Eleanor H. McGowan – jwmciii@prtcnet.com
(John Gowen Jr of Marion Co, SC).

HOLLIS families:

1) James Hollis – sigindgrp@outlook.com
(John Hollis b. 1700 and Esther Canterbury)

2) Cecil Daryl Hollis – cdhollis@morrisbb.net
(Middleton Hollis b. 1816)

3) John Elbert Hollis – jehollis@earthlink.net
(John Hollis b. 1700 Va.)

4) William Hollis – sigmaindgrp@msn.com
(John William Hollis b. 1853 and d 1931)

5) Ren Hollis – merny1@gmail.com
(Samuel P. Hollis b. 1824, Georgia)

6) Edmond Albert Hollis – marcher1750@gmail
(Elias B. Hollis b. 1801 SC, d. bet 1870-1880 AL)

7) Kenneth M Hollis – miller2110@comcast.net
(John Hollis b. 1707, d 1768, VA).

8) William Darrell Hollis – hollis35@verizon.net
(Elias B Hollis)

KEITH/KEETH/KEATH families:

1) Oakley Keith – researcher – rekeith@q.com
(James Keith b. 1766 VA d. Floyd VA)

2) Timothy Keith – researcher – zippie2424@comcast.net
(Reuben Keith, b. ca. 1769, VA, d. 20 Mar 1854, NC)

3) Zachary Keith – researcher – zkeith77@gmail.com
(Gabriel Keith, b.1802 and d. ca.1880)

4) John Watt Keath – researcher – jkeath@aol.com
(Micajah Keath, b. 1807 d. 1892)
Micajah Keath b. 1807 Montgomery County, Va John Boling Keath b. 1844 Madison County, Tn Everett Watterson Keath b. 1889 Woodruff County, Ar. John Beard Keath b. 1923 Woodruff County, AR John Watt Keath b. 1949 Shelby County, Tn

5) Vincent Edgar Keith – researcher – vince.keith@comcast.net
Born 1927 in Arkansas, USA
(Martin Hale Keith, b. 1809 and d. 1890)

6) Randall Thomas Keith – researcher – randy@thefatherofhollywood.com
(Middleton Bannister Keith b. 1811)

7) Donald Keeth – researcher – did not give ancestor info – rjenkins7@austin.rr.com

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The Y-DNA tests from the following lines of John Hollis b. 1700 and William Going b. 1682 are matches – based on Y-DNA test results to date.  Both have two male children that Y-DNA testers trace back to.  This suggests that there was a common paternal ancestor some time before the estimated birth date of John Hollis in 1700 (if not further back).

John Hollis b. 1700’s line (Hollis DNA Project:  http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/hollis/ ).

William Going b. 1682’s line (Goins DNA Project:  https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/goins/activity-feed ).

Looking at the above Y-DNA results shows that our matching lines are in the E-M2 haplogroup (which has also been called E1b1a, or E3a) – see:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38 .

This line is the Goyen/Going line that descends through William Going b. abt 1682, and the descendants of John Hollis b. 1700 – both out of the Stafford County, Virginia area.  (Area became Prince William County, and then Fairfax County) – on the Potomac River in the Northern Neck of Virginia.  See William Going’s page (click link above for William Going).   The numbers and matches are at the bottom half of this page below.

Documents that match Going and Hollis families:

The John Hollis b. 1700 and William Going b. 1682 connection is important, because the descendants of both men all have the same Y-DNA (of all that have been tested so far).   Both had at least two male children, who have male lines alive all the way to today.  William Going’s two male children that have descendants who have tested are John Going b. abt 1700, and Alexander Going b. abt 1715 – the descendants of both men alive today all have tested for the same Y-DNA as our line.    John Hollis’ two male children are traced through James Hollis b. abt 1730, and Moses Hollis b. abt 1728.   The male descendants of both of these two Hollis children all have tested the same Y-DNA as the Going men above.  To me, this means that the common paternal ancestor of John Hollis b. abt. 1700 is prior to his birth.

In addition to the Y-DNA results that match the descendants of William Going b. abt 1682 and John Hollis b. abt 1700, there are several documents that connect the families.   The Going family, Hollis family, and Gladden family all appear to have lived close to each other in the Stafford County, Prince William County, Fairfax County, Virginia areas at the same time – and appear in documents on behalf of each other.  All three families then appear close to eachother and again signing each other’s documents on the border of Virginia and North Carolina – in Brunswick County and Lunenburg County, Virginia, and Orange County, North Carolina.  Finally, several members of each family appear to move together to Fairfield County, South Carolina about the same time, and again, each appear in eachothers land documents, wills, and probate papers.

See the following pages for Going, Gladden, and Hollis relationships (the following pages show how Going, Hollis, and Gladden family members show up in documentation for each family for about 100 years – from the 1730s to the 1830s – starting in the Potomac River area of Virginia (Stafford, Prince William, and Fairfax Counties), moving to Lunenburg and Brunswick Counties, Virginia, moving to Orange County, NC, and then moving to Fairfax County, SC – all at about the same times, and continuing to show up on each other’s documents at each move:

1) William Going b. abt 1682:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/william-gowing-born-1677/  (a)  1739 May 23 – Ann Gladding (Gadden) witnesses Catherine Padderson’s will – she is the widow of William Going b. abt 1682.  Prince William Co, Va; (b)  1739 July 23 – John Hollis posts bond on widow Catherine Padderson’s (previously Catherine Going), probate in Prince William Co, Va).

2) John Hollis b. abt 1700:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1700-john-hollis-of-fairfax-co-va/ (a) 1739 July 23 – John Hollis posts bond on widow Catherine Padderson’s (previously Catherine Going), probate in Prince William Co, Va) – she is parent of John Going b. abt 1700, and Alexander Going b. abt 1715.  (b) 1745 Oct – pmts to John Glading (Gladden) and to John Hollis on same date/page of Truro Parish vestry book, Fairfax Co, Va.; (c) 1751 March 30 – court orders payment to Moses Hollis for his witness testimony in lawsuit involving Alexander Gowen; (d) 1753 Jan 17 – James Hollis, John Hollis, and William Gladding (Gladden) post bond promising that James Hollis will return to court, Fairfax Co, Va; (e)  1753 May 21, and June 20, and Nov 22 – John Hollis suit against John Dalton – the Admr of Ann Gladin’s (Gladden) estate, in Fairfax Co, Va.; (f)  1758 Nov – William Glading (Gladden) and John Hollis both mentioned on same page (p. 87) of Truro Parish vestrybook in Fairfax Co, Va.

3) John Going b. abt 1700: https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1710-john-gowen/ (a) 1739 July 23 – John Hollis posts bond on widow Catherine Padderson’s (previously Catherine Going), probate in Prince William Co, Va) – she is parent of John Going b. abt 1700, and Alexander Going b. abt 1715.  Ann Gladin (Gladden) is a witness on the will.  John Going is the executor in Prince William Co, Va; (b) 1757 Nov 1 – John Goin, William Goin, John Goin, Junr, and William Glading (Gladden) are appointed to do repairs to road according to Lunenburg Co Road Orders in Lunenburg Co, Va.; (c) 1762 Dec 11 – John Going Sr receives 700 acres on Moon Cr, son William Going is chain carrier, and William Gladin (Gladden) lives adjacent to this land in Orange Co, NC.

4)  Alexander Going b. abt 1715:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1715-alexander-gowen/

5)  Cybella Hollis b. abt 1725:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1725-cybella-hollis-m-john-thomas-hall/

6)  Moses Hollis b. abt 1728:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1728-moses-hollis/

7)  James Hollis b. abt 1730:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1730-james-hollis-sr/

8)  Notley Hollis b. abt 1731:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1731-notley-hollis/

9)  William Goyne b. abt 1733:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1733-william-goyne/

10)  Amos Goyen b. abt 1744:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1744-amos-goyen/

11)  Daniel Goyen (or Going) b. abt 1748:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/daniel-going-b-abt-1753-married-to-jean-going-in-fairfield-co-sc/

12)  Drury Goyen (or Going) b. abt 1749:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1749-drury-going-goyen/

13)  William Hollis b. abt 1750:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1747-william-hollis/

14)  John Hollis b. abt 1751:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1751-john-hollis/

15)  Elijah Hollis b. abt 1763:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1763-elijah-hollis/

16)  Berry Hollis b. abt 1764:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1764-berry-hollis/

17)  James Hollis Jr b. abt 1765:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1765-james-hollis-jr/

18)  Moses Hollis Jr b. abt 1766:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1766-moses-hollis/

19)  John Hollis b. abt 1775:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1775-john-hollis-son-of-james-hollis/

20)  Moses Hollis b. abt 1775:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1775-moses-hollis-son-of-james-hollis/

21)  Littleton Hollis b. abt 1785:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1760-littleton-hollis/

22) Mary Going b. abt 1787:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1779-mary-polly-going-m-thomas-hughes/

23)  Daniel Goin b. abt 1790:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1790-daniel-goin-in-fairfield-county-sc/

24)  Derrell Upright Hollis b. abt 1802:  https://goyengoinggowengoyneandgone.com/1802-derrell-upright-hollis/

June 17, 2016:  Possibility that John Hollis b. 1700, John Going b. 1700, and Alexander Going b. 1715 all had a common paternal ancestor – based on Y-DNA results.  

I was contacted by a Hollis family member who had matching Y-DNA (from the John Hollis  b. 1700 – Moses Hollis b. 1728 – Notley Hollis b. 1732, Stafford Co, VA to Orange Co, NC to Fairfield Co, SC Hollis family).

I reviewed the Hollis family Y-DNA project.  It appears to me, that all the Hollis men who have tested their Y-DNA that came out of the  John Hollis b. 1700 line seem to all have the same Y-DNA as we do.  I haven’t seen any descendants from John Hollis b. 1700 (of Stafford Co/Fairfax Co, Va) with different Y-DNA results that match another Hollis family member that claims to be from the same line.  Same with the Going/Gowan/Goyen Y-DNA results for the descendants of the brothers – John Going b. 1700 m. Mary Keith, and Alexander Going b. 1715 (both sons of William Going b. 1682) – all of Stafford County, Va – who also moved to Orange Co, NC and then to Fairfield Co, SC.   I have not seen two or more Going results of those who can document being descendants from those lines that have different Y-DNA results that match another Going descendant from that line.

Without any significant number of other Going or Hollis family members testing with other Y-DNA results (that match eachother), this tells me that these two Going and Hollis lines have a common paternal ancestor prior to 1700.  This is before the date John Hollis was born – as it appears John Hollis b. 1700 was in the E-M2 haplogroup as well as John Going b. 1700 and Alexander Going b. 1715 – all with results from their descendants that indicate a common paternal ancestor.

The Hollis family members with the same results as the Going family may have been from an adoption, or a pregnancy out of wedlock – where a Going child had been brought up by a Hollis family member and that child was given the Hollis name.  Or the reverse is possible, that a Hollis child was born out of wedlock and raised as a Going, or a Hollis child was adopted by a Going family.   Whatever the nonpaternal event was, it must have occurred prior to the birth of John Hollis in 1700, as descendants of his sons James and Moses both have matching Y-DNA, meaning the father, John Hollis b. 1700, passed this Y-DNA to his children.

Same can be said for William Going b. 1682.  Descendants of his sons John and Alexander both have matching Y-DNA, meaning this Y-DNA was passed to them by William Going by his father when born in 1682.

I have corresponded with several Goin/Going researchers who also think that the Hollis line is a “non-paternal event”.  I can not say that they are right or wrong based on what I’ve seen.

For the Hollis line to be the result of a “non-paternal event”, you would assume that there would be two Y-DNA groups coming out of the Hollis family members who descend from John Hollis b. 1700.  So far, that has not been the case.  Same with the Going family testers who descend from John Going b. 1700 and Alexander Going b. 1715 – again, only one group of results, not two.

These Y-DNA matches are based on only 15 Going/Gowan/Goyen descendants, and 6 Hollis descendants.  If I start seeing a group of Going testers or Hollis testers who document that they are from those two lines coming, and if those testers have different Y-DNA results (that match others in their groups), then I will need to reconsider this theory.

For now, I’m thinking that the John Hollis b. 1700, John Going b. 1700, and Alexander Going b. 1715 all probably had a common paternal ancestor (father, grandfather, ggrandfather, etc), somewhere down the line before 1700 – whether that person was a Hollis or a Going is not known.

In other words, it looks like there was a “non-paternal event” at some time, but right now, it can not be ruled out that the non-paternal event occurred before 1700.   In fact, if no other Y-DNA lines come out of John Hollis b. 1700 that are different, then I think this points to the non-paternal event occurring prior to 1700.

If the non-paternal event occurred prior to 1700 between the Going family and Hollis family, then that only leaves about a 65 year window in which it could have occurred in the Americas (between 1635-1700).

The reason I think this is significant is due to the question it raises regarding the EM2 haplogroup we belong to.  I have not met a Goyen or Going that is related to me, or who matches me, who does not look “white”, but obviously, based on the EM2 haplogroup, the original ancestor who bore the Going (or Hollis) surname came from Africa and likely had the appearance of a black African.

For me, this raises the following questions:

1) How long has the Going family (my line), and Hollis family that belongs to the same line, had the appearance of being white?  When did the Going (or Hollis) original paternal ancestor who was African, first marry/have children with whites?  Was it here in the Americas (in that 65 year window between 1635-1700)?

2)  Is it possible that the Going (and Hollis) lines that match our Y-DNA came to the Americas appearing to be white?  If so, then when and where did this mix occur?  In the Caribbean Islands prior to moving to the mainland (Maryland or Virginia)?  In England – despite being a very “white” nation, England has always been a very cosmopolitan country – with invaders, immigrants, and merchants from all over the world.

June 6, 2016:

I bit the bullet and paid to have my Y-DNA tested with Family Tree DNA.

The following are the results:

The following are the YDNA markers – there are 3 different test groups – 12 marker group, 25 marker group, and 37 marker group.  I tested with 37 markers – there are higher marker groups, but this is the one that was recommended.  Some people tested with only 12 or 25 markers, so that is why there are 3 different groupings below.

To simplify the three result groups I entered the names of those tested, how many markers they tested, and the genetic distance in a chart below.   What this chart shows are the people who have tested through Family Tree DNA who are a “match” to me according to Family Tree DNA.

The results are 15 different Goin-type names, 6 different Hollis names, 3 different Keith names, 2-3 different Cook names, and 2 different Gibbs names.

The fact that the highest number are Goin/Goins/Goen/Goyne type names – for me – confirms my genetic line goes through this particular Goyen-Goin line.  The Hollis, Keith, and Cook names also help out – John Going born about 1704 was married to a Mary Keith – it appears the Going and Keith families moved near the same times from Stafford County, Virginia, to the Virginia/North Carolina border – and then several Keith’s and Goings moved to South Carolina near the same time.  Similarly, with the Hollis family, John Hollis posted bond on Catherine Going Patterson’s probate in 1739 (she was mother of John Going born 1704 – she remarried to a Patterson after her husband William Going died in 1725).  John Hollis’ children, Moses Hollis and Notley Hollis had several land transactions with Alexander Going, John Going, and William Going in Orange County, North Carolina (these were the children and grandchild of Catherine Going Patterson).   Several of the Going and Hollis families moved to Fairfield County, SC about the same time, and they are listed on eachother’s paperwork found in that county – including probate papers.   This likely means that the Hollis and Keith members listed are descended from a Going male who either died while their children were young, and so a Keith or Hollis adopted and raised that child as their own, or some other non-paternal event.

The fact that there are multiple Hollis and Keith members listed – for me – confirms that our line goes through John Going born about 1704 and Mary Keith.  Which is what I suspected based on the documents anyway – but I wasn’t as sure previously.

Family Tree Y-DNA matches

Haplogroup E-M2:

Our haplogroup is E-M2 – According to Wikipedia:  “The E-M2 branches are the predominant lineage in Western Africa, Central Africa, Southern Africa, and the southern parts of Eastern Africa.”  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V38

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25 marker group below:

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37 marker group below:

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Actual Y-DNA values below:

YDNA results STR values

YDNA results STR values

 

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12 Responses to Y-DNA for Goyen/Going, Keith and Hollis families

  1. rick.tidwell@lamresearch.com says:

    Hello – I’m sure you are aware of this already, but just in case. As the story goes, the first “Gowen/Going/Goyen…” ancestor to the colonies was a John Gowen (or variant), supposedly from Angola, which would describe your E-V38 DNA. He likely was brought to the colonies from a captured Portuguese ship. He was supposedly the first, or one of the first, free African landowners in Virginia. He married a slave named Margaret Cornish. They had a son, Mahill (Michael). John bought Mahill’s freedom in 1641, but then indentured him to learn a trade afterwards. Mahill served his indenture, and was given his freedom once again after his 7 years. Mahill supposedly first married a slave, but then married an unknown white woman. This would mark the first white ancestor in the line and is supposedly the grandmother of our William. William’s father, Thomas supposedly married an Indian (our William’s mother). I want to tell you directly, that I have NOT investigated this line thoroughly and from what I can tell there is a lot of disagreement or questioning due to lack of proof of the connection past William…but I think your Y-DNA clearly shows, African is do longer in any doubt on this line. It came from somewhere, and the story just may be true after all! I descend from both the Gowen and Hollis lines…through Moses Hollis of SC, and through John “Buck” Gowen of SC, but not through the Y line.

    • douggoyen says:

      Rick,

      Nice to hear from you. Tidwell is another name that lived very close to the Gladden, Hollis, and Going names in South Carolina. Tidwell and Gladden were the names that helped me track the Going family back from SC to Va. I believe I’ve seen some Tidwell/Gladden marriage docs back in the 1700s.

      I have definitely heard of John Graweear (Gowen)(or however it was spelled). Someone claimed to have looked at the documents and said the spelling was something like Graweear, or something similar. I haven’t seen the documents, but they were arguing that this spelling was not a Going variant. I am not sure, so could not say one way or the other.

      Even though we have the Y-DNA done, we still need to link documents to people, and just haven’t been able to get beyond the late 1600s with the document links.

      There was an interesting thing going on with the English language in the early 1600s – the Great Vowel Shift – which was a change in pronunciation of the English language that they say took place around 1400 to the early 1700s. Words and names were spelled phonetically for the most part back then (as they “sounded”). The rules of how a word or name was spoken was more closely related to grammar rules (if a word came in a certain area of a sentence or paragraph in relation to other words, it might be spoken slightly differently). This appears to be why words were often spelled differently within the same paragraph. There were no “spelling” rules where particular words “must” be spelled a certain way back then, it appears the spelling rules were to use the correct letters to match the correct pronunciation – it appears more like they were almost like grammar rules for spelling.

      Immagine how we have accents in Boston, New York, Texas, England, etc – and how words are pronounced differently in those areas. Back then, the different pronunciations would have caused different spelling as well if the pronunciation was extreme enough.

      The Great Vowel Shift caused a big change in how words were pronounced – which caused changes in how many words were spelled (including names/surnames). Going back beyond the 1630’s might be extremely difficult due to the changes in the way the language was spoken before then, and how words/names were spelled before that time.

      Pinpointing any ancestors beyond the group of Thomas Gowing, John Gowing, William Gowing, and James Gowing has been speculative on my part and other researchers’ parts as well – we just haven’t found the connecting documents. Finding those documents may be very difficult since the spelling of the names may have been very different 50-100 years prior to this time.

      The John you mention is a possibility, but so are all the other Going variant names. You also have to consider the Hollis paternal line as well (since the Y-DNA matches), that its possible someone who took on the name of Hollis is the paternal ancestor – they were living together very near the Going family for over 100 years at least (in each other’s wills and deeds), possibly longer.

      The Y-DNA line could have come through the slave trade – a very viable theory since that was going on in the Americas – but pinpointing which particular person it was is guesswork right now. I’ve just tried to ID all the Going and Hollis men in Maryland and Virginia in the 1600s, and keep all options/possibilities open for now.

      Its also a possibility that the Y-DNA line from Africa came through England in one of several ways. The Moore’s conquered much of southern Europe for a long period of time. Descendants of these men could have immigrated from southern Europe to England, and then immigrated to the Americas.

      Another “possibility” I have seen regarding English researchers is that the Roman legions sent legions from Africa to England to guard Hadrian’s wall. Some have said its possible there were men who took wives while stationed there, and that after a few generations these descendants would have had only English to marry, and would have eventually looked English.

      Whichever line our original paternal immigrant came through, they appear to have entered the Americas in either Virginia or Maryland. Exactly when the Y-DNA line came to Europe/England/America from Africa is speculative, and might be even harder to trace than the ancestors of Thomas, John, William, and James.

      I would think that you need to keep all the options open right now – until some documents link to an earlier ancestor that may help. This is why I haven’t accepted John as the original immigrant, but haven’t ruled him out either. I’ll need some connecting docs before I definitively say.

  2. rick.tidwell@lamresearch.com says:

    Yes, that’s very true. The Tidwell, Hollis, Gladden families were a very tight knit group for a very long time. Even today, that connection remains in the names of some of the descendants. My gg grandfather, b 1852 in Dickson County, TN was named “Moses Hollis” Tidwell (long after Moses Sr and Moses Jr deaths and his father Mancel, b. 1825, was also too young to personally know either men). The respect for them was obviously large in the family. His son, my g grandfather, was Ovil “Hollis” Tidwell, and Ovil’s grandson and my cousin (living), “Hollis” Steve Tidwell.

    Completely understand your point on the language and grammar variances. I find myself constantly asking other researchers to not get hung up on spelling…even in the 19th and early 20th century. As you mention, there was the great vowel shift. At the same time and later, the uneducated ancestors couldn’t read or write, so the name was spelled phonetically by whoever was writing the document for them. This is why I simply called old John – John Gowen. I cannot write all the variants every time I talk about the man or this family. lol So I will simply write Goyen from now on since that is how your line began spelling it. It is the same as Gowen in my line as we connect at William.

    Obviously, the most facinating event here is that you and the others have actually confirmed a Y-DNA direct connection between the William Goyen and John Hollis. This is an amazing find, and I am sitting on edge waiting to see where it leads! I’ve done the autosomal DNA test through ancestry and uploaded it to FamilyTree, DNA Land, and Gedmatch and have confirmed matches back to William. I am now waiting for my Y-DNA and mTDNA results from Nat Geo.

    • douggoyen says:

      Do you know any people with the Gowen surname out of the John Buck Gowen line? If so, have they taken a Y-DNA test?

      It appears the documents and history of William Gowen who married Sarah Allen points to William being a son of William Gowen b. abt 1682. I have had a couple researchers question me on that when I first published the website, due to no mention of him in Catherine Padderson’s will (widow of William Gowen b. abt 1682). I still think the evidence points to him being a son of William, or a close cousin (son of brothers James or John). I have noted him as being a “possible” son, with a few other options.

      I think there are a couple reasonable reasons he may have been left out of Catherine Padderson’s will.

      First, he may have been the oldest son, from a prior marriage of William Gowen b. abt 1682. Not uncommon for men to have had 2 or 3 wives they had children with due to mortality rate of childbirth back then. If that was the case, he would not have been a child of Catherine Padderson, so she would not have provided for him in her will.

      Second, I have wondered if William Gowen’s middle name may have been “Ambrose”, and if he was the Ambrose Gowen who received land just prior to William Gowen b. abt 1682’s death. After William Gowen b. abt 1682 dies, there is no further mention of Ambrose. I have wondered if it is possible that while William Gowen b. abt 1682 was alive, they called his son by his middle name – possibly “Ambrose” – and then Ambrose decided to start using his first name after his father’s death. Just a theory (no proof), but would explain Ambrose just disappearing, and would explain why no mention of him in the will of Catherine Padderson as his father appears to have given him his inheritance just prior to his death.

  3. rick.tidwell@lamresearch.com says:

    Unfortunately, I do not personally know any Gowen. I moved away from Tennessee when I was a boy. Moved to Texas, and from there to California as a young adult, and now reside in Japan. What we both should do is see if any of our Gowen DNA connections at the various sites are actually Buck Gowen direct male descendants. For some reason, I thought his Y-DNA was already out there.

    According to the various researchers, Buck does descend from William (1682) through William and Sarah Allen. It is what I have in my tree (as a placeholder) while I continue to get as much proof myself. If not, he sure seems to be a close relative due to various interactions between the families. Also, the African seems to be in his line as well. I do recall noticing DNA results of William Easley and Sarah Gowen direct descendants as having traces of African, whereas I do not show any in my DNA (autosomal) due to it being too far back (1600s or before) and not Y or mtDNA. I’ll try to check it again and also see if I can find any direct Gowen male descendant of Buck. In addition, will really start digging in and and see what I can find. I am somewhat limited since I live in Japan. I rely heavily on what I can find online. Your site has more information than most websites do, and I very much appreciate it! I’m curious how you have found all this information in various states and counties in such detail? I realize others share information, but this is a treasure trove of info. Thank you for bringing it all together in one place!!

    • douggoyen says:

      I kept finding the same info over and over. I’d forget I had seen it before, or would wonder if I had seen it before, so I finally decided just to save the info I found in a format easy to check, and hopefully a format others can contribute to or make use of. Its far from complete. I still have quite a bit of info to add. When I get time I try to update, add, or correct things I find need correction of some sort.

  4. Steven Akins says:

    I’m a descendant of Elijah Vinson Hollis and Susannah Hollis (they were cousins), through Moses Hollis Sr. (son of John Hollis 1700-1768). I’ve had my DNA tested through 23andMe, but my Hollis ancestry comes through a line on my mother’s father’s side, so I am not a member of the same Y-DNA haplogroup. I do notice that the Goins family (to whom I don’t know of any direct relation) are one of several families associated with Melungeon heritage. The Melungeons were members of an isolated racially mixed group found in Appalachia, thought to be descended from free negroes and whites from Virginia. Originally negroes brought to colonial America were indentured servants who became freemen after serving a set number of years and then set free, given land, and some even went on to employ indentured servants themselves on their plantations (see Anthony Johnson ca. 1650 of Henrico Co., Virginia). Sometimes they married and had children by whites (see Edward Mozingo of Lunenburg Virginia). So it is possible that something of this nature may have occurred in the Goin and Hollis lineage. My DNA test results show that I am 99.6% White, with 0.1% Native American and <0.1% North African/Middle Eastern, and <0.1% Sub-Saharan African DNA which stems from an ancestor born at some point prior to the year 1700, according to my 23andMe test results.

    • douggoyen says:

      Steven, I don’t believe anyone (or not many anyway) in the John Hollis b. abt 1700 or descendants of William Going b. abt 1681 claim to be members of the melungeon group. I haven’t found any of the Hollis’ that claim it. I don’t know of any Going’s in my line going back to the 1690’s that were listed as mulatto in any government records that descend from these two groups. There are about 4 other Goin/Going lines, unrelated to ours from what I can tell – 2 of them are white with European Y-DNA and their ancestry records match, one has African Y-DNA (but a different signature than ours) and their records identify them as free black or negro, and one is the mulungeon group that were often identified as mulatto, their Y-DNA also identifies as African ancestry, but again, another line. The various Going/Goin groups all lived very close to eachother, and probably all thought they might even be related in some fashion. It wasn’t until the Y-DNA testing that we could identify the 5 different lines within the Going/Goin groups. Even with the Y-DNA, its tough to tell which document belongs to which person/group. Obviously, the Y-DNA shows there is some African ancestry at some time back in the Hollis/Going line I belong to, but since there aren’t any records that identify the Hollis or Going family as mulatto or other, it appears they may have entered the Americas appearing white. They may have come from a trading ship, as a mixed race person in the early 1600s, and immigrated to the Americas very early on (between 1635-1650), or they may have been immigrants from southern Europe that were in areas that the Moors conquered. Their descendants may have then immigrated to England some time between the 1100s to the 1400s, and then immigrated to the Americas from England, not knowing their African ancestry any more than I knew prior to taking my Y-DNA test.

  5. Terry Gowin says:

    Greetings, its nice to see people still interested in this. i decend from Shadrack Gowin b. 1791 and polly bass. The gowen resesarch institute put out a book i have from a while back with thier findings.
    the researchers if im aware came to the result of mihill and his father john gawean but it was angelticised to gowin.

    • douggoyen says:

      I’m not sure about Mihil Gowin or John Gawean . . . or any of the Going/Gowen variations prior to William Gowing b. abt 1681. I’m not even sure who William Gowing b. abt 1681’s father is – I don’t think anyone has anything other than speculation regarding his parental line. I haven’t seen any documents verifying the parents of William Gowing. It could lead back to Mihil and/or John Gawean, but there are other possible parental lines. So many records have been lost or destroyed, we may never know for sure – but I keep looking.

  6. Terry Gowin says:

    capt. author guy was supposely the capt of the ship the fortune that brought john here who he captured from the potuguese ship i have its name somewhere. my question is how do you go back further from john with lack of records of the slaves and what families they hailed from in africa.

  7. Heather Henderson says:

    Dear Gowen/Gowin Family,
    I am hopeful that I can help fill in blanks for you and you can likewise fill in blanks for me. Let first say that my journey began due a BRCA1 gene mutation that runs in my family, its formal name is 3450del4. This gene mutation causes very aggressive forms of heredity breast and ovarian cancers and I underwent BRCA testing in 2011, which revealed the 3450del4 mutation. I am a survivor of Triple Negative Breast Cancer, Stage IIIB. My research suggests that this particular mutation is an ancient “founder” mutation of Spanish/Portuguese descent from Bogota, Columbia. Being a “founder” mutation, means that it has been linked to a single ancestor with its age estimated back 74 generations. Both my mother (Stage IV Ovarian) and one sister have this mutation and all of our first degree relatives have a 50% chance of this mutation and if you have the mutation, you have approximately 80% chance of getting breast or ovarian cancer in your lifetime. The good news is if you do not have the mutation, you cannot pass it. I was shocked to learn of this Spanish/Portuguese line running through our family as to our knowledge, our ancestors are a “white” family and wondered if true, how the mutation arrived here in US. So I began tracing back the 3450del4 mutation. I will start with the most recent ancestors and move backwards:
    Lesalie Hicks Stengell (mother) is second child & only daughter of Leon R. Hicks (g-f) and Alice V. Hicks-
    Leon R. Hicks, Jr is the only son of Leon Hicks, Sr. and Melba Ruth (Gowin) Hicks (great g-m)

    Melba Ruth Gowin is the middle daughter of three of Minor Ellis Gowin (gx2 g-f) and Bertha T. (White) Gowin-

    Minor Ellis Gowin is the son of Ellis Minor Gowin (gx3 g-f) and Mary Emmaline (Osborn) Gowin-

    Ellis Minor Gowin is one of the sons of Minor Steele Gowin (gx4 g-f) and Nancy (Beeman) Gowin-

    Minor Steele Gowin is one of the sons of Nathanial Gowin (gx5 g-f) and (Sabri Midgett) Gowin-

    Nathanial Gowin is the son of James Alexander Gowen (gx6 g-f) and Rebecca (Adams) Gowen-

    James Alexander is the son of James William Gowen (1730-1805)(gx7 g-f) and Anastasia (Sullivan)Gowen-

    James William Gowen is the son of John Goyne (1709-1761) (gx8 g-f) and Mary W. (Keife) Goyne-

    John Goyne is the son of William Gowen, Sr. (1680-1726)(gx9 g-f) and Catherine (Patterson) Gowen-

    William Gowen Sr is the son of Thomas Christopher Gowen or Gower (1655-1726)(gx10 g-f) and Catherine (Winona) Gowen (married in 1678 in Stafford, VA).-

    Now here is where things get fuzzy, but based upon the information and background of Michael Mihil Gowen and research that I have conducted, I believe Mihil Gowen and Katherine Prossa (1640-1730) were married in the year 1655 in York County, VA and that they are the parents of Thomas Christopher Gowen. Thus explaining the Spanish/Portuguese lineage and its travel to this country.
    I do have some haplotype analysis information on the gene mutation (3450del4) that I could share if that would of benefit. I would appreciate any information either confirming or denying this research. Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter.
    Heather Henderson
    ibheatheronly@yahoo.com

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